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		<title>By: Libertarians Gone Wild &#171; The Van Der Galiën Gazette</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-1411</link>
		<dc:creator>Libertarians Gone Wild &#171; The Van Der Galiën Gazette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Oct 2007 20:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] van der Galiën    Read all about it here: Ed and Elaine Brown were taken into custody last week. I’ve made no secret of my support for the Browns, but I’m starting to worry about offering my opinions in such a public manner. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] van der Galiën    Read all about it here: Ed and Elaine Brown were taken into custody last week. I’ve made no secret of my support for the Browns, but I’m starting to worry about offering my opinions in such a public manner. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Last Free Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tommy Cryer wins</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-1237</link>
		<dc:creator>Last Free Voice &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Tommy Cryer wins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 02:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] told you last month about the Browns and mentioned Tommy Cryer&#8217;s case. As a refresher, there is no law [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] told you last month about the Browns and mentioned Tommy Cryer&#8217;s case. As a refresher, there is no law [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Miche</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Miche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 16:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWC,
After digging around much deeper, reading several of the Browns&#039; motions and many of the cited cases, I will have to concede that the tax issue is one that is &lt;strong&gt;nearly&lt;/strong&gt; insurmountable in courts.  While I think that Ed &amp; Elaine were right on one or two things, the bigger problem comes from the fact that the courts have ruled time and time again in favor of the gov and the legislative branches have tightened loopholes as they went.  With each case, it is easier for the courts to dismiss, on the basis of frivolity, defendants’ very real perception that the current tax system is immoral or unconstitutional.  

It seems that the only chance the American taxpayer has is to organize a non-violent movement dedicated to withholding certain taxes; civil disobedience a la Thoreau.  The problem with that is there is this recently engrained sense of entitlement within most Americans.  This sense of entitlement breeds a sense of dependence.  Coupled with the dependence is fear.  I see some of it in my own household; my husband fears prison even more than I do, and therefore we would never consider not filing a legally accurate return.  

I guess you knew most of that, but I wanted to let you know where I ended after some really heavy reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWC,<br />
After digging around much deeper, reading several of the Browns&#8217; motions and many of the cited cases, I will have to concede that the tax issue is one that is <strong>nearly</strong> insurmountable in courts.  While I think that Ed &amp; Elaine were right on one or two things, the bigger problem comes from the fact that the courts have ruled time and time again in favor of the gov and the legislative branches have tightened loopholes as they went.  With each case, it is easier for the courts to dismiss, on the basis of frivolity, defendants’ very real perception that the current tax system is immoral or unconstitutional.  </p>
<p>It seems that the only chance the American taxpayer has is to organize a non-violent movement dedicated to withholding certain taxes; civil disobedience a la Thoreau.  The problem with that is there is this recently engrained sense of entitlement within most Americans.  This sense of entitlement breeds a sense of dependence.  Coupled with the dependence is fear.  I see some of it in my own household; my husband fears prison even more than I do, and therefore we would never consider not filing a legally accurate return.  </p>
<p>I guess you knew most of that, but I wanted to let you know where I ended after some really heavy reading.</p>
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		<title>By: SurfaceEarth</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-941</link>
		<dc:creator>SurfaceEarth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 01:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree.  A private charity has no dictates to take action except by their own minds or hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree.  A private charity has no dictates to take action except by their own minds or hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: pauliecannoli</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-933</link>
		<dc:creator>pauliecannoli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 09:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support tax resistance, but the narrow quasi-legalistic justifications the Browns use for theirs fall flat, IMO. 

Doesn&#039;t really matter though...result count most. 

btw you should post this at LFV, and for that matter my site too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support tax resistance, but the narrow quasi-legalistic justifications the Browns use for theirs fall flat, IMO. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t really matter though&#8230;result count most. </p>
<p>btw you should post this at LFV, and for that matter my site too!</p>
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		<title>By: Miche</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-932</link>
		<dc:creator>Miche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate that the Browns are putting their necks under the blade because the rest of us are to chicken to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate that the Browns are putting their necks under the blade because the rest of us are to chicken to.</p>
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		<title>By: Miche</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-931</link>
		<dc:creator>Miche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jun 2007 00:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But the courts and the lawyers think they covered that gap with the income tax amendment. What I mean is that it doesn’t matter whether they did or didn’t, they think they did and they have all the best weapons.

In tax protest cases sometimes the arguments are very compelling but the courts consistently don’t care...
...The main reason that I say it don’t matter is because as soon as the SCOTUS says income tax is not constitutional Congress will enact legislation making it constitutional or something retroactively equivalent. There is no way the feds are going to let go of a multi-trillion dollar revenue stream. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And that is the problem.  If the courts do not act in a constitutionally sound way, the matter can&#039;t be addressed.  If they do, the cat&#039;s out of the bag and the public might wake up to a new country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But the courts and the lawyers think they covered that gap with the income tax amendment. What I mean is that it doesn’t matter whether they did or didn’t, they think they did and they have all the best weapons.</p>
<p>In tax protest cases sometimes the arguments are very compelling but the courts consistently don’t care&#8230;<br />
&#8230;The main reason that I say it don’t matter is because as soon as the SCOTUS says income tax is not constitutional Congress will enact legislation making it constitutional or something retroactively equivalent. There is no way the feds are going to let go of a multi-trillion dollar revenue stream. </p></blockquote>
<p>And that is the problem.  If the courts do not act in a constitutionally sound way, the matter can&#8217;t be addressed.  If they do, the cat&#8217;s out of the bag and the public might wake up to a new country.</p>
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		<title>By: winecommonsewer</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-930</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bottom rate of tax in 1913 was $200.00 for those with taxable incomes exceeding $20,000.00. Everybody with a taxable income under 20 grand was exempt. 

That&#039;s the equivalent of a 2006 taxable income of $403,000.00</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bottom rate of tax in 1913 was $200.00 for those with taxable incomes exceeding $20,000.00. Everybody with a taxable income under 20 grand was exempt. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s the equivalent of a 2006 taxable income of $403,000.00</p>
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		<title>By: winecommonsewer</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-929</link>
		<dc:creator>winecommonsewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16th Amendment, got dam it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16th Amendment, got dam it.</p>
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		<title>By: winecommonsewer</title>
		<link>http://ladyliberty.wordpress.com/2007/06/09/a-real-patriot/#comment-928</link>
		<dc:creator>winecommonsewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2007 22:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michelle, you funny girl (and you like wine). :-)

I read the linked story and you&#039;re right the arguments were clear and concise. But the courts and the lawyers think they covered that gap with the income tax amendment. What I mean is that it doesn&#039;t matter whether they did or didn&#039;t, they think they did and they have all the best weapons.

In tax protest cases sometimes the arguments are very compelling but the courts consistently don&#039;t care. There are a few exceptions, that FedEx pilot comes to mind. But she was cleared because she believed that she did not have an obligation to file not because she did not have an obligation to file. 

The main reason that I say it don&#039;t matter is because as soon as the SCOTUS says income tax is not constitutional Congress will enact legislation making it constitutional or something retroactively equivalent. There is no way the feds are going to let go of a multi-trillion dollar revenue stream. 

And you know what? They ain&#039;t serving Cabernet at Terminal Island Federal Penitentiary.

Me? I&#039;d be delighted if they abolished income tax tomorrow. I might be out of a job but I had a job before this one. 

I also think that income tax is an important lesson to all about why it is so important to stop even the most innocuous sounding legislation from passing. After all, income tax will never be anything but a tax on the filthy rich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michelle, you funny girl (and you like wine). <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I read the linked story and you&#8217;re right the arguments were clear and concise. But the courts and the lawyers think they covered that gap with the income tax amendment. What I mean is that it doesn&#8217;t matter whether they did or didn&#8217;t, they think they did and they have all the best weapons.</p>
<p>In tax protest cases sometimes the arguments are very compelling but the courts consistently don&#8217;t care. There are a few exceptions, that FedEx pilot comes to mind. But she was cleared because she believed that she did not have an obligation to file not because she did not have an obligation to file. </p>
<p>The main reason that I say it don&#8217;t matter is because as soon as the SCOTUS says income tax is not constitutional Congress will enact legislation making it constitutional or something retroactively equivalent. There is no way the feds are going to let go of a multi-trillion dollar revenue stream. </p>
<p>And you know what? They ain&#8217;t serving Cabernet at Terminal Island Federal Penitentiary.</p>
<p>Me? I&#8217;d be delighted if they abolished income tax tomorrow. I might be out of a job but I had a job before this one. </p>
<p>I also think that income tax is an important lesson to all about why it is so important to stop even the most innocuous sounding legislation from passing. After all, income tax will never be anything but a tax on the filthy rich.</p>
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