Science vs. God: A layman’s opinion

You don’t need to look far to find discussions of God and science. We’ve all heard about the ID vs. Evolution brouhaha in Kansas, and if you are lucky enough to possess a sense of humor, you’ve probably visited the website of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. The discussions are not new; the debates have included Galileo, the Scopes Trial and more recently, the Grand Canyon. Late last year, in a 9 page article, Time Magazine wrote:

There are two great debates under the broad heading of Science vs. God. The more familiar over the past few years is the narrower of the two: Can Darwinian evolution withstand the criticisms of Christians who believe that it contradicts the creation account in the Book of Genesis? In recent years, creationism took on new currency as the spiritual progenitor of “intelligent design” (I.D.), a scientifically worded attempt to show that blanks in the evolutionary narrative are more meaningful than its very convincing totality. I.D. lost some of its journalistic heat last December when a federal judge dismissed it as pseudoscience unsuitable for teaching in Pennsylvania schools.

As a child, I was dragged to church every Sunday and Wednesday where I saw nothing but hypocrisy, so today I cannot claim affinity to any particular god or religion. I have, on the other hand, felt very spiritual and close to my mind’s image of what God should be after eating a couple of mushrooms. My science education is limited to high school Honors Chemistry where my friends and I were more interested in whether we could make MDMA than learning about the periodic system. Like many people, I have strong opinions on the Science vs. God debate, but because my opinions were influenced by (sometimes altered) personal experiences, anecdotal evidence or books I’ve read, I generally only share them amongst my closest friends.

That changed today. I found a Science Blog discussing a Christian Science Fair that awarded first place to a project that was fundamentally wrong on the science. The blog is written by PZ Myers, a biologist and associate professor at UMM. He said:

It’s becoming a trend: Evangelical Christian institutions that try to do science inevitable demonstrate breathtaking inanity of their own. The latest victim is the Pawleys Island Christian Academy. Take a gander at the first place winner in biology.

Brian Benson, an eighth-grade student who won first place in the Life Science/Biology category for his project “Creation Wins!!!,” says he disproved part of the theory of evolution. Using a rolled-up paper towel suspended between two glasses of water with Epsom Salts, the paper towel formed stalactites. He states that the theory that they take millions of years to develop is incorrect.

“Scientists say it takes millions of years to form stalactites,” Benson said. “However, in only a couple of hours, I have formed stalactites just by using paper towel and Epsom Salts.”

This isn’t just wrong, it’s appallingly wrong. He’s wrong on the facts, wrong on the interpretations, wrong on the understanding of how science works. If we’re charitable and grant that a 14 year old has some reasonable excuse for ignorance, we can still indict his parents, his science teacher, and the judges at this fair on gross incompetence on multiple charges.

This experiment has nothing to do with biology.
Epsom salts are magnesium sulfate; stalactites are made of calcium carbonate.
Stalactite growth rates are estimated to be around 0.1-10 centimeters per thousand years. If we assume his ’stalactite’ was 10 cm long and use the slowest growth rate, that’s 100 thousand years, not millions.
Even if he had demonstrated an accelerated rate of stalactite growth, stalactite length isn’t the method used to date the age of the earth.
To quote the unquestionable authority, Terry Pratchett: “And all those exclamation points? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.” Mister Benson comes perilously close to the underpants limit in his title.

I’m all for parental choice in education and a Christian school is certainly free to teach ID, Epsom Salts and paper towels create stalactites, or even that Noah’s Flood created the Grand Canyon. But, please, let’s not call it science.

Why is it that we are bombarded with the Christian rewrite of science? Why is it even entertained by school boards and politicians? It’s not ok for Bible study to bleed over into public schools, national parks, and policy decisions. There is supposed to be a “wall of separation” between church and state.

This “Average Jane” believes that the place for “God” in science was described well by Albert Einstein when he wrote of cosmic religious feeling:

How can cosmic religious feeling be communicated from one person to another, if it can give rise to no definite notion of a God and no theology? In my view, it is the most important function of art and science to awaken this feeling and keep it alive in those who are receptive to it.

We thus arrive at a conception of the relation of science to religion very different from the usual one. When one views the matter historically, one is inclined to look upon science and religion as irreconcilable antagonists, and for a very obvious reason. The man who is thoroughly convinced of the universal operation of the law of causation cannot for a moment entertain the idea of a being who interferes in the course of events – provided, of course, that he takes the hypothesis of causality really seriously. He has no use for the religion of fear and equally little for social or moral religion. A God who rewards and punishes is inconceivable to him for the simple reason that a man’s actions are determined by necessity, external and internal, so that in God’s eyes he cannot be responsible, any more than an inanimate object is responsible for the motions it undergoes. Science has therefore been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man’s ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hopes of reward after death.

It is therefore easy to see why the churches have always fought science and persecuted its devotees.On the other hand, I maintain that the cosmic religious feeling is the strongest and noblest motive for scientific research. Only those who realize the immense efforts and, above all, the devotion without which pioneer work in theoretical science cannot be achieved are able to grasp the strength of the emotion out of which alone such work, remote as it is from the immediate realities of life, can issue. What a deep conviction of the rationality of the universe and what a yearning to understand, were it but a feeble reflection of the mind revealed in this world, Kepler and Newton must have had to enable them to spend years of solitary labor in disentangling the principles of celestial mechanics! Those whose acquaintance with scientific research is derived chiefly from its practical results easily develop a completely false notion of the mentality of the men who, surrounded by a skeptical world, have shown the way to kindred spirits scattered wide through the world and through the centuries. Only one who has devoted his life to similar ends can have a vivid realization of what has inspired these men and given them the strength to remain true to their purpose in spite of countless failures. It is cosmic religious feeling that gives a man such strength. A contemporary has said, not unjustly, that in this materialistic age of ours the serious scientific workers are the only profoundly religious people.

Nope, I’ll never be able to flaunt my scientific prowess, but I do seek science information from reputable journals. I quit religion years ago and no longer look for spiritual experiences with mind altering substances. These days I am a mostly responsible mother. And being a responsible mother, I care about the world left for my children. Reading about that “science” project has changed my thoughts on getting into the debate. One needn’t be an expert in science to care about man’s progress being hijacked by a Christian agenda.

~ by Miche on May 24, 2007.

18 Responses to “Science vs. God: A layman’s opinion”

  1. Off topic, but a couple of posts below you have an “enter password” setup,l but I haven’t seen a place to register for one.

    Also off topic, email is bouncing again…

  2. Hmmmm. The text of the bouncing email does not want to post in here, either. Tried twice…

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  4. This very debate drives me crazy. I support peoples’ right to believe whatever they want, but this religion masking as pseudo science is very dangerous.

  5. you seems engaged in projects that are committed to building understanding, tolerance
    thanks

  6. Thank you Sylvester Omosun. I’ve been reading your poetry and I am deeply moved. I’m re-reading “Milked by our own people” now for a better understanding. (I must read a poetry piece several times before it really sinks in.)

    My husband and I are planning a trip to Africa and have not yet picked the countries. What do you, as a native son, recommend?

  7. Excuse me, but how have Christians “hi-jacked” your agenda?

    Please don’t start going on and on about how Christians are making the world a more horrible place. Christians ARE NOT, in any way, deliberately causing problems in the world.

    Since when did Christians become “evil”?

    I’m sorry, but don’t join the “debate” against Christians. AT LEAST come up with a better reason than a science fair.

  8. Derek,
    Why the hostility? I neither called Christians evil nor said that I was trying to debate them. The point of the post was that religion should not pretend to be science.

  9. I’m only replying to the hostility I found in your post. Apparantly, people take offense in different ways.

    The reason I even put in the second and third paragraphs, was because that has always been the usual response to Christianity, and I apologize if I offended you with that. Though, you did imply that you were going to debate, that or start thinking about it. That’s where the debate thing came from.

    I agree that religion shouldn’t pretend to be science. But Christianity isn’t pretending to science.

    Once again, if I offended you too much, I apologize.

  10. I got your comment, here’s what you said:

    Derek,
    I found your blog after you were nasty on mine. Let me share some stuff with you.

    1) My blog is political, not spiritual. I fight everyday as a county chairman for a political party so that you can run a blog with which I disagree.

    2) The Bible is not science, nor is it an accurate history book. (I concede, in advance, that history books are not generally accurate.) It is a great book from which to learn the moral lessons from the time of its publication.

    3) I was raised Christian, but now detest all organized religion. I don’t believe in God, but I believe that the Christ of the New Testament was a very enlightened individual who was persecuted in his time.

    4) Perhaps I’m a “real” Christian; one who looks at the deeds of Jesus and tries to emulate them. I truly try to treat my fellow man as I wish to be treated. Or perhaps I’m a real Buddhist and am seeking nirvana. Maybe both are totally compatible with atheism. Whatever I am, your nastiness would turn me off to Christ if I were still seeking a god.

    You seem to be a smart YOUNG man. Please don’t let your fervor ruin (what I hope is) your message.

    Michelle
    an atheist who believes in the message of Jesus and many other great philosophers.

    _________________________________________________________________

    Here’s my response.

    1) I was/am aware that this is a political blog. I was just making a point.

    2) Nothing except science is science. I never said, nor implied that the Bible was science. Also, it IS an accurate history book. We simply have a difference in opinions.

    3) Once again, we have a difference in opinion.

    4) I intend no “nastiness.” I’m only posting my view of it, though I may not communicate it well. I’m sorry if my comment would turn you away, but there are some who call themselves Christians, but really aren’t. To turn away from so many people because of the actions of a few, that is poor judgement. I don’t judge islam, just by looking at the radical muslims. I actually look at the religion, islam, and then judge for myself.

    I doubt that you believe the message of Jesus Christ in its entirity. Though I do believe you look at the actions of Jesus, and try to emulate them to an extent.

    Derek
    A faithful Christian obviously with little communication skills.

  11. On number 4, when I said, “I intend no “nastiness.” I’m only posting my view of it.”

    “it,” means your post.

  12. Derek,
    Please go back and re-read the post. I’m sure after a careful reading you will find that I said that I usually don’t get into discussions on religion outside of my intimacy circle, but changed my mind and decided to voice my opinion. I’m sorry that you read my “get into the debate” statement as literal. Indeed, without reading the whole post, it would be an easy assumption to make.

    As far as hijacking mankind’s progress with regard to science, that is indeed what some Chritian organizations are trying to do. Here I am making points about the wall of separation and science and you attempt to hijack my post and wrongfully assume that I want to call Christians evil. I don’t believe that Christians are deliberately trying to harm the world, but I do believe they are trying to cram their views down the throats of many who care not to have science bastardized by religious belief. I would be as angry at any religion who made a point of changing science to fit its holy book.

    Your only correct assumption is that I don’t believe the Christ message in its entirety; I certainly don’t believe that he walked on water, physically changed the properties of water to make it wine, or rose from a physical death to ascend into heaven.

    You are obviously an intelligent young man so I’m betting that if you read the post again, you will find that I was not being hostile toward Christians, but toward the mostly Christian efforts to change science.

  13. Just as a defense. I don’t think that Christians should try to “cram” our ideas down people’s throats. Some do, and wrongfully, but most don’t. I guess that since only a few are like that, they’re the only ones being heard, therefore, many people only see hostility.

    I can fit science into plenty of the Bible, but I don’t try to change science into something else to make it fit.

    But it’s nice to know that you don’t have a hostile attitude toward Christians. I respect your opinion, although I disagree with it.

    Just don’t think that ALL Christians are trying to wrongfully fit science into the Bible. Several will try to, but truthfully, most of us don’t. Though every Christian uses science and logic to explain his/her opinions, we’re only trying to explain our point. After all, no one would believe a Christian that used only spiritual experiences to explain his/her views.

    Once again, I respect that you don’t have the wrong attitude about this, and I hope you know that I don’t either.

  14. Once again, a careful reading of the post would have presented you with real world examples of Christians attempting to hijack science. I never said that every Christian is doing it, but so far in this country, it is only Christians that are. To paraphrase the “Love the sinner, hate the sin” motto, I’m not against the Christian, I’m against the policy.

    To be clear, I have nothing against religious people telling me how their religion shaped their views of the world even if they include a scientific fact to back up their claim. But when school boards attempt to teach students that the Christian creation story is an equal to evolution and should be in science class, they go against the “wall of separation.” There is a place in education for the creation stories of every religion- it is in a Comparative Religion Studies class. I won’t rehash the other examples because the links are so clearly documented in the original post.

    I would like to remind you that it was you, a Christian, who came to my blog with the shoulder chip. I’m appreciative that you have toned it down a bit and we’re able to have this discussion.

  15. Oh, and may I point out that I actually have a Christian blog linked in my blogroll? I linked to her because she is, in my view, a perfect Christian woman. She lives her life according to the words of Christ, prays when she fails to be Christ-like, is humble, thoughtful, and isn’t pushy. She doesn’t have a clue who I am and doesn’t link to me, but I like her values. (see Thumbprints)

  16. Sorry, I simply misread the post, but I’m relieved to know that we are now at an understanding.

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